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The metaphorical billboard question. But trying to think what else. No, lets do it. But then its just kind of a hard, convoluted process, especially once you introduce these layer two solutions. And what all that has to say is that its just not a good environment for unprofitable and a lot of those companies or kind of marginally profitable its just investors are shooting first, asking questions later and the last thing you want to do is like if youre a private company, your stock is held by good hands for all the purposes. [00:11:10][100.5], Dan Nathan: [00:11:10] Right? Brian Armstrong: Most people who are entrepreneurs, theyre making something thats mostly based around marketing. Brian Armstrong: Well, I think that some of the biggest If I just think about all the biggest challenges that we have in the world today, I think science and technology are pretty good hammers to swing at those nails. So theres a real art of just tuning that out and caring less, I guess. Its impossible for humans to really remember them or even know if youre sending it to the right spot. And then you get dozens of stocks that are down 70 or 80% at the lows. And so how are people going to be able to store like meaningful amounts of money or their life savings or whatever? Im going to keep my preamble short because I want to get into the meat and potatoes of this conversation with my guest, Brian Armstrong. The move in yields to the upside has been staggering. What would you change about yourself or improve about yourself or what are you most interested in improving about yourself at the moment? [01:09:59][6.9], Rick Heitzmann: [01:09:59] Yeah, but yeah, thats a one off. But a bunch of employees being so upset that they kind of closed the laptops and decided not to come into work in protest. What if that happens? And youre kind of staring into the abyss, into the cloud, the fog ahead of you, and you dont really know what to do. My best motivation hack is just to type David Goggins into YouTube and watch a random video that comes up and then youll be working out shortly, otherwise you will feel like a total wimp. Thats what I thats my biggest position in in composer right now [00:37:18][11.5], Dan Nathan: [00:37:19] Alright fair enough right this turned into an ad for composer. But somebody eventually at some point had to find a way to do it at ten or a hundred x throughput and the Human Genome Project. And it would get into a situation just like you would have if your money was at Goldman Sachs or something like that, and you got kidnapped in Mexico. Theres no reason to think its any different now. Walmart entered the Brazil market in 1996 and throughout its ownership opened Walmart Stores, Sam's Clubs and acquired several brands like Hyper and Maxxi. Numerous tests have been conducted in the United States and other countries, but not yet in Indonesia. It seems a lot easier. The root of a lot of progress is basically education, which leads to science and technology innovation, which leads to unique products, which leads to economic growth. So if youre a company, though, again, you go public to raise capital. Anyway, I grad students are woefully underpaid, and some of these people are just brilliant teachers. - these are often presented as buy one get one free or buy three get one 50% off etc. But yeah, its a new financial system for the world. I think thats also great. No, but-. But then I think the acknowledgment that this sort of downturn is going to last longer, you know, and youre seeing some dispersion. However, youve crossed the Speaking like a five year old point, you seem to have a good grasp of the basics. You can download the paper by clicking the button above. You can download the paper by clicking the button above. And there was part of me that was like, I need to grow up. And when youre so dependent on brand, I think all of that stuff matters. We know that WhatsApp has an amazing user base that they really havent monetized yet. I think we took a lot of air out of the room in 2021 was obviously Web three. [00:58:44][1.5], Dan Nathan: [00:58:45] Yeah, no, its really hard. And that wasnt good enough. And thats the moment we had product market fit. I will probably read that in the next two hours because thats very of great interest to me, especially for connective tissue repair with tendinosis in the elbow. So to me, if that will drop right into the margin of that business, could that be a double or triple over the next 3 to 5 years? So from that perspective, I actually feel really lucky. I hadnt really found a company that I wanted to work at. I think thats the most valuable scarce resource you have, and so you have to really preserve that. Walmart shoppers have a median household income of $73,000, according to data from Numerator, a consumer insights firm. If the stock market bottoms, lets say the S&P down 30,35% or so and lets say Netflix, which has shown really good relative strength since it made that 52 week low back in May or June. 80% of B2B leads come from LinkedIn vs. 13% on Twitter & 7% on Facebook. And so I started to ask myself well, theyre, some of their LPs, limited partners, Are these institutional investors, whether theyre endowments or pension funds, or fill in the blank? And I started asking, What would it take for those types of institutional players to begin to allocate even a tiny, tiny, tiny percentage of their total assets under management to crypto?. And so I appreciate you being a part of that. EIGHTH. I remember, as I mentioned, first started buying Bitcoin late 2012, early 2013, had been involved since quietly doing my thing, and there are a lot of good reasons for the quietly part. [01:00:13][31.0], Dan Nathan: [01:00:13] All right. I rewound and watched, theres a very maybe half second or one second snippet in the doc where youre packing a bag for travel and you have three books. Buy products such as Beautiful 1.1 Cu ft Sensor Microwave Oven, White Icing by Drew Barrymore at Walmart and save. And again, you know, Ive been of the mindset, many of these unprofitable names, you know, taking some severe cost, you know, initiatives. Actually, though, I mean that sincerely, because is there a chance that the thing gets pushed out, that theres maybe this is just a delaying tactic one way or another? I remember talking to a friend recently and Bobby Kotick at Activision, hes been getting all this negative press about whatever, I dont know. He talks about the changing world order. And so weve seen these crazy dislocations. Right. And after a month I was finally settled a little bit. So looking at things from a lens of abundance rather than scarcity, but this brings me to the question of competition. I think people working on carbon sequestration is pretty interesting. One of the other things I guess I havent talked about before that I sort of realized while I was there was that the culture of that country was just incredibly different from the US, which is maybe an obvious statement. So just in the last five years or so, several labs have shown that basically, you dont want to change the cell state. And SoftBank tried to get long very quickly and distorted the option. [00:11:26][16.0], Packy McCormick: [00:11:28] Correlations pretty much 1 to 1. So he comes out and says hes willing to kind of proceed with the deal that he agreed upon in April pending receipt of debt financing proceeds. So the ten year yield went to 4% and quickly reversed the U.S. dollar up 10%. Even if youve had liquidity plans, even if youve had hinder offers. Honestly, you should celebrate it. I think it did influence my thinking in hindsight. But also, what sort of perspective did it give you, like taking a step back, I assume that was earlier this summer, correct? Were seeing all these weird disconnects. Most of what they watch is on YouTube anyway. But the degree of apathy was jarring almost. Tim Ferriss: There are several directions that I want to go, and Im trying to pick the most appropriate direction. This is a process I think I want to write on just kind of the different innovation cycles when people need to be involved to actually make the product successful. [00:54:33][29.9], Dan Nathan: [00:54:34] Yeah, well, that was a demand in a very low interest rate environment. In terms of purchasing power, youd have to make twice as much to purchase the same house today using real dollars from, you know, a short nine months ago that interest rates have doubled or mortgage rates have doubled for the first time in decades, and everything has kind of turned upside down. Brian Armstrong: Yeah, so again, its not just one, but its a mix of a bunch of things. And my oldest child is now a freshman in college. Tim Ferriss: Yeah. Tim Ferriss: the Coinbase team mascot uniform. We werent even trying to make a company. The stock was down five and a half percent at one point. Yeah. Its kind of remarkable. And then what other books come to mind that have had maybe a disproportionate impact on your thinking or that youve simply gifted a lot or recommended much to other people? So were finally starting to see the blockchain, and other blockchains have been working a lot of really great scalability stuff too, Solana and others. I keep going through my portfolio. Im not sure if we talked about it here or on fast money or on or just in real life that, you know, that was the safe haven, that was the bellwether safe haven. I eventually settled on this language around mission first. Its like starting a company. Tim Ferriss: So Im going to ask you about NewLimit. And well talk about it because you obviously have a very, very good handle on whats going on in private markets valuations. And a light bulb went off in my head. But it is just very funny to see the emotions from day to day swing wildly. And so, yeah, it does not surprise me that I think crypto correlation kind of close to one. And obviously these initial use cases around collectibles and art has been great in one sense, but I think the idea of NFTs is actually much bigger than that. And maybe we have seen at least estimates bottomed out a little bit. Because what is covered quite extensively in the doc and certainly was covered even more extensively in the news, was your decision not that long ago to offer generous severance packages to people who disagreed with your statements about Coinbase as a mission-driven company that provides a refuge of sorts. Is the cell older or younger? Brian Armstrong: Yeah. The world makes it more protectionist. I feel like my short term memory was really good. It wasnt any sort of a company or anything like that. Its kind of a decentralized app wallet anyway. Right, where like bitcoin belief is all about getting everybody to do this one thing with it, which is like buy and hold bitcoin. And then another one that it was hard to get a full read of, but it was something like The Healing Brain or The Healing Mind, something along those lines. Like, where do you think we are at? And was reading books, talking to people at this time. Hes a monster and amazing and all those other things like Myas actually been an angel. And then I learned many things just about valuing family, and good food, and experiences, and things like that. I dont love it. Ive many questions and maybe well get to later related to being a private person, but also inviting a film crew to follow you around, especially in many of those private contexts. [00:00:55][17.6], Packy McCormick: [00:00:56] Yeah, its been a while good to be back. Brian Armstrong: So I think that definitely is something that Ive cultivated. Tim Ferriss: If you were to take that pie chart of doing other things with crypto, what are the main slivers, the use cases? And in hindsight you can look back and connect some dots and think about, oh, hyperinflation and that kind of stuff. And thats a really serious company to run. I do think that we have our agreements and disagreements on certain Elon Musk things, but I think the thing that youre betting on if youre a Tesla bull or just like Elon Fan is that hell keep coming up with. And I think what I was doing was whenever I want to try to learn something or figure it out, I try to write it down. [00:51:01][16.4], Dan Nathan: [00:51:02] This was a really interesting headline that I saw earlier today from Seeking Alpha Apple App Stores sees worst decline in history of data as September net revenue falls 5%. This is quoting a morgan Stanley report. Names like Lyft, okay, this is a company that the gap is still losing money and theyre really focused. And then I also just try to, I basically You dont want to isolate yourself so much that youre not getting feedback from people, because then you can just become reclusive or turn into Putin or whatever. Whats this? [00:29:05][10.1], Dan Nathan: [00:29:07] What about this, what if you were going to play a little bit contrarian with like a Meta and you say, listen, Mark Zuckerberg, this is not how hes going out. Lets see, I already mentioned Dalios book, Changing World Order. Youre probably going to see more redemptions if something massively doesnt change over the next two quarters. So most companies have a couple of years of cash and they probably companies were overstuffed with cash given how liquid the markets were in 2020 and 2021. We need to build products for both of them. I got reactions from the audience in real time. Insights from Dr. Matthew Walker, Adam Grant/Atul Gawande, Diana Chapman, and Rich Roll/David Goggins (#630), #627: Brian Armstrong, CEO of Coinbase The Art of Relentless Focus, Preparing for Full-Contact Entrepreneurship, Critical Forks in the Path, Handling Haters, The Wisdom of Paul Graham, Epigenetic Reprogramming, and Much More, The Tim Ferriss Show Transcripts: Insights from Tara Brach, Ryan Holiday, Maria Popova, and Cal Newport(#626), All transcripts from The Tim Ferriss Show, written about books that have had an impact on you, this blog post that Coinbase was going to become a mission-focused company. Abstract: Set in the autumn of 2005, this case recounts the remarkable performance record of Value Trust, a mutual fund managed by William H." Bill" Miller III at Legg Mason, Inc. And this person hates me, and Im losing on this or whatever. But if you start to think about, if life was a video game, the hardest part of the game might be kind of the most interesting or the most fun. And I like David Allen, I think his name is, has a good book, Getting Things Done. The stock sold off really 4% on that headline. And hes like, No, if you just assemble a bunch of things, either natural resources or you improve a car I think is the way he described it. So you want to make sure youre getting input from people that have your best interests at heart. Enter a few pieces of information and get a real-time decision. Tim Ferriss: Okay, got it. Brian Armstrong: In the broader economy? So to me, Im not going to be able to figure that stuff out. There was that Steve Jobs everything around you was made by somebody else who just decided. I think Ive noticed So Im 39 now, and just going from 29 to 39, Ive noticed, Im starting to feel like Im getting older. [00:22:36][82.2], Packy McCormick: [00:22:37] Were certainly whatever happens in the still going to be talking about it a lot less than were talking about it right now as this deal is ongoing with the most famous billionaire in the world. I think we might have talked about this before, that a lot of the products that actually got to market that were founded in 2021 and then also got to market in 2021 were almost like definitionally not going to be the best products that were ever built. And so people sometimes get stuck in those environments and they never take any action basically. Dan talks with Not Boring Founder Packy McCormick about managing paternity leave after the birth of his second child (1:49), the volatile emotions fueling public markets (5:31), finding proper valuations for startups (7:55), Ethereums price slump after The Merge (12:44), Bitcoins struggles to prove its value (14:15), Elon Musks So I wrote probably two or three or four drafts of this where I just discarded it and tried to write it over again. And sometimes its new management with new products like pins or sometimes and snap. And so we coded this thing up and we launched it. You can go create things in the world. And so what I did was I followed the Y Combinator advice and I just emailed five of the people who had signed up and I said, Hey, I made this app, Id love to get your feedback. Email us at contact at risk reversal dot com follow and connect with us on Twitter at okay computer pod. And you think about the public markets. Next, if you want to change the text of the comment subscription checkbox, then simply scroll down to the Messages for your visitors section. But I think now where are we on the macro? Id sort of loosely read a few things here and there about this, but I never really took it that seriously. Even in Coinbase Prime for institutions, we will very soon be able to store NFTs there as well if you have a family office or some of these institutions that now increasingly want to be storing NFTs as well. Brian Armstrong: No, Im trying to be. Well help you stay connected during a career change. Connecting decision makers to a dynamic network of information, people and ideas, Bloomberg quickly and accurately delivers business and financial information, news and insight around the world. Blackstone just got in the market because of the market rates in the market. And we dont worry about some big fancy rigorous definition. I mean, he has got so many good essays, but The Top Idea In Your Mind, not that you should be familiar with that one, but thats one. I think you were kind of coined your phraseology about it. I think if I were working for a company, Id feel more comfortable taking that much time off, for better or for worse. And other people were like, what? And Apple, Im of two minds on Apple. Youve been talking on the pod for for most of this year. And I thought that was a pretty good company. Give us a sense of where you are on it right now and just takeaways from the merge. I kind of wish I did. This Management: Leading & Collaborating in a Competitive World having great arrangement in word and layout, so you will not really feel uninterested in reading. And I think youre youre starting to hear more about that coming into the end of the year. But when you look at the macroeconomic climate currently, were recording this in October of 2022, are there any facets in particular that you find concerning or think that people are not paying enough attention to? I dont know, it was too much of a hassle, so I just didnt do it. So I went about putting this simple Buy button basically as a hunch based on the user feedback. But as it shuts the door to open-market programmatic, Bloomberg is opening a first-party data advertising platform. Anyway, I really think that a lot of people today This is sort of a tangent, but a lot of people today are thinking, How do I improve the world? Theyre an aspiring young person and theres a temptation to say, hey, we should advocate for different government policies. Now, this is a very tangible company. Okay, Computer, Im here with my co-host, Rick Heitzmann of FirstMark Capital. And so theyre living in this kind of artificial, I dont know, academic environment. 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